Unleashing Identity: Weight Loss, and Embracing Transformation
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Punch Line Jay, Moody Moe, and Robot Rances discuss Punch Line Jay's upcoming boxing competition and his plan for training and preparing for the fight. They talk about strength training, nutrition, defense strategies, and the importance of technique in boxing. They also discuss the topic of identity and its relationship to physical performance and nutrition.
Here are some of the key takeaways from the podcast:
Punch Line Jay is passionate about fighting and is determined to lose weight healthily to improve his performance.
The VidaProject's bite-by-bite program is designed to help people lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way.
Identity is a powerful motivator for change. You are more likely to succeed when you believe in yourself and your ability to achieve your goals.
The WOOP (wish, objective, obstacle, plan) framework can be used to set and achieve goals.
It is important to be patient and persistent when working towards your goals. There will be setbacks along the way, but if you keep moving forward, you will eventually reach your destination.
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
03:00 - Punch Line Jay's Weight Loss Goal and Weigh-Ins in Boxing
09:54 - six weeks out; concept
14:07 - Analyzing the impact of lifestyle choices on performance
21:56 - How to create a plan for success
33:11 - Becoming the person that makes the right choices
45:16 - Who are you afraid of being
51:10 - WOOP Attacking negative situations with a plan
01:00:39 - What Happened to Rances' Head?
01:04:30 - Tell us your thoughts https://forms.gle/aqLERqWV4H1BqDB79
Transcript
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Punch Line Jay
There's no rules on this Bitch Okay. So we're going to talk about whatever you want, whatever we want, because we're going to spin it and let you all know what we're going to talk about. Going to give you Rapidfire stuff. They're the coaches on the everyday guy. I'm going to challenge them because who the fuck are they to tell me what to do?
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Punch Line Jay
They don't know me. They do know me. Known me for a really long time. But that's not the point. The point is we're here to give you guys a fun podcast and hopefully you learned something along the way. Everybody will go to another edition of Mindset U. This is episode 65. We're not counting the second, the part two of last week's episode as its own episode.
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Punch Line Jay
Right, because
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Robot Rances
it’s 65
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Punch Line Jay
This is 65. Last one.
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Moody Moe
It was 65. That's one. Right. But we didn't hit record.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah, but we did record. So it's 65.
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Moody Moe
So here we are doing it again.
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Punch Line Jay
Here we are doing it in person. Much better this time. I'm Jason. You got Moises and Rances who doesn't like using his last name. So we just leave with first names. Today's episode.
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Moody Moe
We got to introduce the nicknames.
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Punch Line Jay
Oh, that's.
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Moody Moe
Right. There's Punchline Jay.
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Punch Line Jay
I'm Punchline Jay.
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Moody Moe
Mr. Robot. And I'm Moody Mo.
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Punch Line Jay
he is. He's a little moody bitch. I love him to death, but that's my moody baby.
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Moody Moe
I don't think I'm that moody, but up there, I'll take it.
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Robot Rances
Oh, but, you know, it's interesting because I was like, we know you guys need your last name because you have such common names.
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Punch Line Jay
You Perez is the most common last.
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Robot Rances
My last name, but my first name is not so Rances can. Yeah, but what.
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Moody Moe
Dominican name is not common. Yeah, I'm sorry. It is. What Dominican name is not common.
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Robot Rances
You guys take like.
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Moody Moe
Yeah, we're Dominican name is what Dominican name. Oh sorry. Yeah, you're right. What Dominican name is common?
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Robot Rances
My brother's name is Rafael.
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Moody Moe
Say, 100 million, right?
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
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Moody Moe
Dominicans like to make weird names. Yeah, there's.
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Punch Line Jay
A bunch of syllables in it.
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Moody Moe
Yeah. You guys, I take the first and last name from scratch.
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Robot Rances
That's. That's actually more so like millennial generation. That does that Dominican millennial generation. It does that.
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Moody Moe
Yeah. I had a bunch of students with weird as fuck names, man.
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Robot Rances
Well, I'm sorry. No millennial generation. Wait, time out. Yeah, yeah. Like from millennial generation on meaning, like our our age group, our names. The next generation Z and Alpha are the ones. Before that they were very like biblical based names and like very Juana and Carmen and very none.
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Punch Line Jay
I just want to point out that I was the one who got us off track today. It was moody. Mo, because I was.
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Moody Moe
Going I was trying to introduce names. You spoke about that.
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Punch Line Jay
It's true. But I always get accused of throwing things off track.
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Moody Moe
I don't accuse you.
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Punch Line Jay
I'm not saying you. I'll say there's people who watch this show who happen to say that things get. If somebody starts talking for a real long time, I'll make a joke and I don't know how to process the motions. That's not true because I know how to cry.
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Robot Rances
Oh, man.
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Punch Line Jay
Anyway, points like Jay here just throwing out the hits.
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Punch Line Jay
Today's episode, we're going to talk about the emotions behind eating and stuff like that because I'm about to go on a big diet for my next fight and I got lose about 15 to 20lbs in like three months. And I got to do it smart. I got to do it right. And thankfully VidaProject has a bite by bite program.
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Punch Line Jay
I think I set that right. A mouthful to say bite bye bite. Right. That's it sounds funny saying it out loud.
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Moody Moe
Sounds like an Nsync song.
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Punch Line Jay
It does bite, but yeah, it makes sense. But bite by bite program and and all the wonders of it. So I would love for you guys to explain what the program is, because I'm not going to say it again. Well, then we could jump into me.
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Moody Moe
Well, I actually think we should on the opposite direction. I think we should start with you write your intention and then it kind of as you can kind of see how the you know, the way that we our philosophy to nutrition and how we think about it, it kind of fits that. And yeah, we go from there all right.
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Punch Line Jay
So this is me time, guys. Gather up until you hear the story. My name's Jason Moreno I like to box and I'll get you my first amateur competition in September in Atlantic City. Um, currently about 168LBS. I'm going to have to get down to, like, 150, 354LBS. Um.
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Moody Moe
There's an official weigh in?
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah, there's an official weigh in. Um, I'm not sure if I have to weigh in twice the each day, because I know I'm going have to fight twice. But I do know that division I want to be in is around like the 153 division just for my size. I'm a short guy and I think going to fighting like 165 or even heavier, I'm going put myself at a disadvantage because dudes are like your size, essentially, they're cutting down from, you know, one nine, you know, like 195, 200 lbs to make it to like 165, 170.
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Punch Line Jay
And although I could take a good punch, I really don't feel like taking a lot of abuse for an immature fight I'm not getting paid for. So here I am, getting ready to stop my love affair with junk food, which I hold very close to me. Um, I've already started a little bit weighing up my food and stuff like that, but now I'm going to get to thick of things.
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Punch Line Jay
And I think what really comes down to is being consistent. And that's something that you guys are very good at is be consistent with your with your methods, with your ideologies and stuff like that. And that's why I come to you for help.
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Robot Rances
So and to jump into just to have the audience understand, like what a way in is. Like, what does that mean from the perspective of like in boxing?
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Punch Line Jay
Got it. Okay. So that's a good question. So when means that I've agreed to fight at a certain weight because there's weight classes involved because that's just the way fighting is. You need having a weight class makes it technically an even playing field for each for each person in the fight. Um, so with the amateur fights and stuff like that, you weed the day off, which is a little bit different than like a pro fight or any other fights where you weigh in the day before you get a chance to rehydrate and come in way heavier.
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Punch Line Jay
So, you know, for example, if I was to fight in a professional fight that we 155 I’ll weigh 155 Friday morning, and then I have a chance to rehydrate. And the minute I walk into that ring Saturday night, I could be 175 to, you know, some people even weigh 180lbs after they rehydrate because it's all water weight at the end of day.
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Punch Line Jay
But I don't want to the whole thing of starting early instead of waiting until, you know, August or September is that I want to do this healthy. I don't want to do it where I'm just cutting a bunch of weight in an unhealthy manner because it, it, it fucks with you. It fucks with you Fucks with your body, fucks with your mental.
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Punch Line Jay
And I'll try to avoid all those things because I want to win. I want to put myself in the best position possible to achieve that. So I think that's what's also helpful is having a goal and having a and having a yeah, just having a goal of like what I need to do. And I think that's a good basis for a lot of for people who are looking to make that changes.
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Punch Line Jay
Set a goal for yourself and find out why you really want to do this. It would make it a lot easier than just going on a whim, like, I want to lose weight because that's fucking hard and it's not. It's I don't feel like sometimes it's super hard or tangible to achieve when you kind of just have this like willy nilly where being like, Oh, I'm just going to lose weight because it's the summertime when you don't have a reason why you want to do this, aside from just bullshitting yourself.
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Moody Moe
I got a question. So one, it's a true 155 153 weight so you're actually losing to be at 153 150 for walking and walking weight. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's pretty hard. How much weight now.
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Punch Line Jay
168 right now.
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Moody Moe
Okay.
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Punch Line Jay
So ideally what so it's I don't so what I'm thinking is my whole thing is like the the month out from from the fight. I want to be like 158 like going into like late August, early September, because the fights September 16th and September 17th. So my goal is to be by like what, 60 to 158 by the end of August?
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Moody Moe
Early September is when you say that's the peak a little too early.
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Robot Rances
Well, it's the premise that Jay said with him making that his walking around weight. So to me like it changes like from like like that peak idea to like all right he just wants to hit this way where he's able to just kind of maintain it walking around whatever like if, if he needed to, for example, he could lose another five or £10 for the match, but is more sure like the whole concept of remember we used to talk a lot about six weeks out.
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Robot Rances
So the whole idea of six weeks out is like at the end of the six weeks is when you peak. But six weeks out is like where you really look at it as a target that you want to be in. Right now you have the flexibility to like, you know, cut down waterway or do X, Y and Z differently.
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Robot Rances
But it's six weeks is enough time to be able to make those adjustments. But if you are past six weeks and you're not at that point of leverage of control of where that marker is. So the way I'm seeing what Jay is saying is like he wants to be six weeks out on the day of training. So it's not like the most way he can lose is not that it's basically his his normal walking around weight.
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Robot Rances
He wants it to be at that point for his performance.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
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Robot Rances
Is that.
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Punch Line Jay
No, no, that's true. Because I also want to I want to train at that weight so I know what it feels like to be at that walking around weight, if that makes any sense. Because if I'm six weeks out, then I had the ability to see where I'm at and to really assess, you know, what it's going to take to to get down lower and to be, like really honest with myself.
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Moody Moe
Well, I think the most important thing is will you be able to perform at that weight? Because the power that you're going that you have now.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
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Moody Moe
Are you going to be able to still access that power at 158 or 155 or 153? It's going to change and that's all dependent. Like, now my second question to you was, do you know what your current like fat percentage is, your muscle? How many pounds of muscle do you have?
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Punch Line Jay
I know my BMI was was last time I checked was like little a little over 18.
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Moody Moe
Yeah. So BMI is.
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Punch Line Jay
But I mean, that's a.
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Moody Moe
Shitty measure because it's based on a, like a European kind of body calculation and it's just different for Hispanics and African.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah, I guess we're going to be guys legs too. So yeah, it doesn't necessarily help me.
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Moody Moe
So the real measure is really like fat percentage and also muscle.
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Robot Rances
Yeah. So I have a question. Have you ever been around 155 college? Okay. So so that's a good indicator because I'll give you a quick story with me. When I was training, my my coach wanted me to go and fight in the 133 range. And my walking around way at the time was 155. And when I started trying to cut down weight, my body hit 143 and wouldn't budge no matter what I did, like dehydrate or whatever.
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Robot Rances
143 My body was like, no. So like that's why the question of like, have you ever been this way? Like, because your body may, it may be like an extreme right to to be like, I'm going to walk around, 155. But if you have the history of like, yeah, I've been this way before.
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Moody Moe
Like it's the idea of homeostasis is like, does your nervous system know what it feels like and what it feels like to move and operate at that weight?
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah. So I think we're basing this mostly off of is the fact that, like, I'm really good at having a cheat meal. Mm hmm. So I've never fully even when I weighed, like, 155, I was eating like two Big Macs in the 20 vs just because my metabolism was there and youth was on my side at that point.
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Punch Line Jay
But ever since then, I've always, you know, I eat whatever I want and I've stayed, you know, I've stayed at relatively the, you know, in the in the one seventies, I guess. Um, so I really try to see what life is like eating clean for this entire summer and seeing what that wouldn't actually do to my body. Mm hmm.
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Punch Line Jay
And to see how I perform that way, because I'm the way I look at it's like if I'm performing, if I'm performing as well as I am right now and I'm not exactly treating my body like a temple, I'm excited to see what I'm going to be able to do when I am truly, truly, truly taking care of myself and really analyzing what I'm eating, what I'm drinking, what I'm smoking.
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Punch Line Jay
Not crack, just pot But even then, like even back in the day I smoke and cigarettes and stuff like that. Like I was, I was doing a lot of stuff that wasn't good for myself. So I'm interested to see where this is going to take me in the sense of like actually eating clean, really listening to my body and seeing how that goes.
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Punch Line Jay
And I think that's why I go back to like the analyze of where I'm at. And especially since you just told me that story of like when you got that's 143. Like your body was like, that's it. We're not going anywhere else. So I like to know, you know, once I get to like, you know, like 158 157 kind of like how my body feels that if I gotta be realistic with myself being like, you're not going to make 153, you know, I'd rather know then
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Punch Line Jay
And then be able to be like, Hey guys, I'm not going be able to make this weight. Can we put me in this division that.
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Moody Moe
You Weigh 165 right now?
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Punch Line Jay
168 right now.
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Moody Moe
168. Yeah, I would say like Rances Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think by July, if you can see and feel how you operate at 160, because that's going to be an indicator of like, do you have room to, to move because that's where you're going to notice the performance, say.
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Punch Line Jay
Well, I will say this in my last in my last fight that I fought somebody that was like 45lbs heavier than me. I got down to 165. Okay, but not healthy. I did like the week of kind of thinking, okay, yeah.
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Moody Moe
That's not going to.
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Punch Line Jay
No. So it sucks. It was what I since I couldn't truly know. Well there was two factors when I was fighting a fucking a heavyweight, a legit heavyweight and I unhealthily cut weight and I still perform well. I just fought stupid and the head. And I think that had to do with the mental aspect. It was like, I feel like, shit, holy fuck, I can't move my legs.
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Punch Line Jay
Let me just stand in bang with this fucking big guy.
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Moody Moe
Are you strength training?
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, twice a week.
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Robot Rances
So there's there's a few points here where like, kind of like what Mo said, like this is going to be a discovery journey. Like, you have to lead with curiosity to see because it's not just, hey, I'm, I'm doing this healthy. So now my performance is going to be maxed out. There are going to be things that you gain, things that you lose, right?
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Robot Rances
So like Mo brought up the power that comes with the weight. There's going to be loss of that, right? There might be loss of because you're losing weight. The idea is like we like to think in theory we're losing fat only. Right. But you know, you're going to be losing muscle. So that muscle is going to impact performance.
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Robot Rances
It's going to impact performance in terms of speed, in terms of power, in terms of just overall strength and endurance. Right? Yeah. So it's like those markers are going to be changing and like, like you said, you want to kind of walk around in this body, feel like what it feels like, what's the performance? Can you modulate that?
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Robot Rances
But if it becomes like an entire different body that you're driving, it's like, I don't know how to use this body this way right then is like, this is too risky. Like, I'm going in, like everything that I count on is not here for me, so that changes your parameters. So I think it's important to be like curious and with that curiosity is like looking at those markers, looking at like, okay, what's my, my current strength and so on so of feels like because and having like maybe you have a partner that, that you're sparring with that's not going to change where that partner can give you feedback because it's like you're like, Oh, I
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Robot Rances
feel so great. I'm hitting him so hard and here's why we're taking it easy today. You were like, Just tap him. And usually you hit me hard. You're like, What you know is like, Oh, shit. So then now you got to recalibrate.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah. And I think that's a good thing with, with the people who I train with because it's such a wide range of weights. Like we were out with guys who are much heavier than me, guys who are a little bit lighter than me and stuff like that. So it's I think it's going to be good to gauge how hard I hit with like if the bigger guys still feel the way I hit.
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Punch Line Jay
And I think also with the smaller guys who before I would take a little bit easier on because there is a big weight difference now to see like if I can start pushing it once I'm closer to their weight and see how they react to it, like are they going to still give me the same respect because they know that they step in and I throw something that's going to really fuck them up kind of thing compared to not having to worry as much because now the playing feels a little bit more even.
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Punch Line Jay
So I think that's really, really curious, but that's a really good point. Um, I just want to, this whole, this whole thing for me is, is a lot about curiosity, which is a great thing that you mentioned because this is literally the biggest fuck around to find out I can do right now. Oh.
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Moody Moe
I do. I do want to highlight a point. I think the reason I asked you if you're strength training is because that's going to be one of the most important variables to maintain your strength while you're dropping weight. And it's not just it it's not just strength training. Like especially in the beginning, like now I think we spoke about it before in terms of calories and we'll go into that to that conversation.
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Moody Moe
But definitely functional strength training where you're lifting heavy. So that you can generate power because the power is the thing that's you're going to lose most.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
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Moody Moe
So when you think about power, it's more of a neurological component. So like when we think about this, this strength itself, it's a skill. So you want to maintain that with like functional strength training. Yeah. So like you're looking at like deadlift squads, right? Yeah, right. I'm in a steel program. So do you done. Yeah. Yeah.
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Punch Line Jay
And, and.
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Moody Moe
Trying to get it in at least 3 to 4 times a week.
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Robot Rances
Yeah. Yeah. Because mass is going to go yeah. Therefore power is going to go down unless you generate that power from speed. Right. And so you're lowering in weight, meaning your mass is smaller, but with that lowering and weight, if you can keep that performance of that muscle up now, you can increase speed, which then can improve the the power behind the punch because it's coming faster.
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Moody Moe
Yeah. So like a deadly if if you're like you're starting from the bottom and you're exploding out or the squat, you essentially lower build that strength and then explode out of that explosion is where you're going to be able to keep your yeah. Your power.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah. And I think it also has to do with that too. And I think with the strength training, I've noticed that my technique of do I approach this stuff like that, it comes to my legs, I'm always lifting, I'm always on my toes. And every time I throw a punch of exploding up kind of thing. So it allows me to to be fast and to not have to wind up somebody to put real.
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Punch Line Jay
Also, now I'm just putting momentum behind it kind of thing.
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Robot Rances
And so what you're saying is that your your skill in punching is already in mechanically inclined. So it's not like a big guy, for example, that punch like this, even though he looks like he's just doing this, he'll send you flying. But it's because of the mass that's behind. That's exactly when you have the mechanical advantage. You're able to use whichever point body mass you have, but leverage that to a point where it has the impact.
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Punch Line Jay
Yeah. Yeah. I hardly ever plant my feet unless I have somebody hurt in there in the quarter. Am I just like plant my feet to throw body shots and stuff like that? But for the most of the point, I make it a constant effort to always be on my toes. I can use my legs to explore it and not tire out my arms and not tire my shoulders and stuff like that because I think a lot of I know this is inside baseball for you guys and I'm sorry, I will.
00;21;55;09 - 00;21;55;29
Punch Line Jay
We'll move on.
00;21;56;09 - 00;22;21;24
Moody Moe
So so let's go into a little bit of your plan, because I'm curious to know how you're thinking about this, just to give you an idea of how people approach, you know, a certain goal. So you have this goal, you have this intention going to Atlantic City and boxing in an amateur fight. That's that's the goal. What is your plan for let's let's start with the strength training and then we'll go into the nutrition.
00;22;21;26 - 00;22;22;04
Moody Moe
Okay.
00;22;22;12 - 00;22;32;04
Robot Rances
So that's going to, you know, just add to that. Yeah. The purpose of understanding that is because then the nutrition is designed to support that plan. Yeah.
00;22;32;25 - 00;22;58;17
Punch Line Jay
So right now my strength training routine is I do strength training with my, with one of my coaches at the gym at least once or twice a week with him. And then I also lift on my own. But it's mostly just doing stuff that I learned with you guys. So it's a lot of like kettlebell, just like heavy kettlebell swings, stuff like that, a lot of stuff working out my legs and my core.
00;22;58;17 - 00;23;30;00
Punch Line Jay
Um, I do a lot of body conditioning just to get my core, my core strength better because you need to be older to absorb punches. And I feel like if you have a really strong core, that helps. So I think I am going to start upping my, my lifting. I don't necessarily know if I'm going to start lifting super heavy because that also does take away from the fighting aspect of it.
00;23;30;00 - 00;23;34;28
Punch Line Jay
Sometimes. So I try to lift like heavy like once a week.
00;23;35;09 - 00;23;52;14
Robot Rances
So I have a question that kind of goes to turn to that point is when you're boxing, how do you defend do you defend dodging or do you find it blocking?
00;23;52;14 - 00;24;19;25
Punch Line Jay
It depends. It's a mix. It depends on who I'm fighting it. My defense changes between the between opponents and stuff like that, because not every person is the same. So with somebody who's who's fast, I resort to more blocking it doing counters and trying to type them. No, it's somebody who's a little bit slower than me. It's, it's more head movement and making them miss and stuff like that and of capitalizing off of that.
00;24;19;25 - 00;24;39;27
Punch Line Jay
But it really depends. And also, if I respect your power more, I'm going to make sure I move my head around. I'm going to make sure that I'm not trying to take absorbed too much into it, because even if I'm blocking, it still hurts. It still hurts. Or they throw you off balance because they're so strong and they throw hard, that will throw you off.
00;24;39;27 - 00;24;41;15
Punch Line Jay
And then they could catch with something else.
00;24;41;25 - 00;24;43;01
Robot Rances
As you're recovering, as.
00;24;43;01 - 00;24;52;22
Punch Line Jay
You recover the shots that you don't see, the shots that hurt the most. So it really varies on who are moving around with and who are fighting.
00;24;52;22 - 00;25;21;06
Robot Rances
So I'll share this that the reason why I asked that question is because like, again, it's almost like a video game, right? Your your toggling of different skill sets. Right. And recognizing that and then discuss, do you know who your opponent is and how does he fight and so and so forth. Because like that strength training, that upper body strength training will also determine that if you want to be faster dodging more than you don't necessarily want to have more mass that you're building up on top.
00;25;21;06 - 00;25;42;15
Robot Rances
But if you're using that mass as protection, then okay, you need that defense. So again, the strategy behind it goes into what you're building because where you mentioned was like you don't want to go into too heavy lifting up or body wise. Why? Because it's going to have an impact. But the impact that it can have, it can be endurance impact.
00;25;42;15 - 00;26;06;05
Robot Rances
Right. So if that that's a toggle that you want to keep up really high, that's important. On the flip side, it can have, again, that protection which can conserve energy because you're just putting up the shield as opposed to having to use that endurance to dodge. And we and so on, so forth. So it's like the strategy on how you're you're going into the fight also depends on like what are you building with your body there.
00;26;06;07 - 00;26;06;14
Robot Rances
Yeah.
00;26;07;02 - 00;26;29;24
Punch Line Jay
I typically don't lift super heavy upper body anymore. I do heavy on the legs because that's where my source of power comes from. Um, so I do like, I'm never going to steer away from, from doing so like deadlifts and squats and stuff like that. Also lift heavy with those. But like when it came to like doing like the bench press or anything like that, like I don't, I do more reps.
00;26;30;09 - 00;26;52;24
Moody Moe
So I would think right now is the best time to, to get that in the prior to when you get closer. So for sure, if like we were your trainers, I think the plan would be, you know, go heavy now get the calories restriction to like something to build the power and strength to sustain the workout, but not so much that you're gaining the weight.
00;26;53;07 - 00;27;17;05
Moody Moe
So you're building the power, you're building the muscle, you're losing maybe a pound or half a pound per week so that by the time you get to July, the middle of July, you're maybe like 160, 161. And then from there, shift the training to muscle endurance, skill sets towards boxing towards that, then get the calorie restriction to be under 2000.
00;27;17;05 - 00;27;25;24
Moody Moe
Maybe we're talking about like 1800 high in protein to get you down to 155. So that way you might lose some power, but you're not going to lose a lot.
00;27;25;29 - 00;27;50;28
Robot Rances
And the factor, the reasoning behind that, like starting now with that that strength is because like there's two, two points that that contribute to to what your body can do and what your body looks like. Like I mentioned before, the mass. Right. You don't you don't necessarily gain mass when you're doing strength. You gain strength. What that means is like it's literally a nervous system training that you're doing.
00;27;51;06 - 00;28;14;13
Robot Rances
Your your brain body is learning how to elicit more muscle fibers when you're doing the interaction. So in a punch, you're gaining more of the muscle fibers that are already in there to contribute to this action. That's the strength buildup. So there can be no physical change, but an increase in strength, right.
00;28;15;01 - 00;28;16;04
Punch Line Jay
So it like yeah.
00;28;16;13 - 00;28;35;20
Robot Rances
So like if you were going to go for the mass, right, then that would be a different protocol that you will follow. But now going for the strength and Moises says like starting that now is like you can build this higher base of strength, which then when you start working and you're cutting back on calories and everything, that strength starts to fall back a little bit.
00;28;35;27 - 00;28;37;28
Robot Rances
It started falling back from a higher peak.
00;28;38;05 - 00;28;38;16
Moody Moe
Mm hmm.
00;28;39;02 - 00;28;40;01
Punch Line Jay
That makes a lot of sense.
00;28;40;01 - 00;29;07;20
Moody Moe
Also think, I think, the hardest part for you, if you were to go into that now, is the dialing down the amount of times that you're sparring to allow for recovery. So I know that you go into like, you know, a lot of sparring sessions like you. You go against like eight, nine guys in one. Like you would have to decrease that just a little bit to be able to let your body recover and focus on that power.
00;29;07;21 - 00;29;28;29
Moody Moe
Like if we're talking about time, if we're talking about energy and then recovery, if you really want to win that fight in September, the strength training starts now and you focus there. You focus on a lot more technique. You focus on the skill set of boxing and you try it out. You maintain those skills and implement them in sparring sessions.
00;29;29;09 - 00;29;47;24
Moody Moe
But, you know, like we're talking about like 60% capacity. Yeah. And then in July, you start dialing up, decrease the strength training, increase muscle endurance, increase sparring, increase, you know, more endurance to beat, prepare yourself for the actual fight. I think that will allow you.
00;29;47;26 - 00;30;04;21
Punch Line Jay
To pick the right. I think that's a really, really good point. And I already started decreasing the amount of sparring I do. I try to keep it to just Sundays. Now, if I do any like sparring during the week, it's super, super, it's technical, it's touching. It's just, you know, just working on the mechanics and helping other guys.
00;30;05;02 - 00;30;28;06
Punch Line Jay
Um, get better at their footwork. Because the one thing I do have that's really good is my footwork. I'm really good at being balanced and really good at moving my feet the entire time, mostly because I'm so used to sparring with dudes that are bigger than me. So like, I have to, I have no choice but to move my feet, to not be out of their range and to it's also a good thing of when you have a bigger guy who relies on their power.
00;30;29;19 - 00;30;48;00
Punch Line Jay
If you're constantly moving, you don't let them plant their feet in the way that they plant. Like I'll play a little game kind of thing where it's a mental thing, where it's You guys chase me, you guys chase me, chase me, say I'll stop, make him play on his feet, move again. So he never gets into a rhythm of knowing when he can play and throw his power at me.
00;30;48;00 - 00;31;06;06
Punch Line Jay
So it's one of those things that I try to teach the other guys who are also on the smaller side on. These are things that they should utilize because not everything is a fight. I think a lot of guys coming in come into this and they think it's a brawl. They think that you have to stand there and you have to be the man way, I guess is a plant your feet.
00;31;06;22 - 00;31;26;14
Punch Line Jay
Let's rock and sock, rock and sock and robotic and see who's the tougher guy. And all you find out is that you have brain damage at the end of it. And it doesn't matter if you have 16 ounce gloves on, if you have headgear on, it doesn't matter. Your brain still rattles, it still messes up your day. And none of us are getting paid for this.
00;31;27;17 - 00;31;51;07
Punch Line Jay
It's a game of chess. Yeah, it's treated like chess. It's not checkers. And that's then. And that's when I'm excited for when it comes to lowering the sparring and and focusing more the strength, training, the technique, because that plays such a big part in it. And I think a lot of people don't put that kind of work into it unless you're like, really?
00;31;51;07 - 00;32;11;16
Punch Line Jay
They really take fighting seriously and I think with my ADHD, I have a thing of like if I find something that I really, really like, I dove headfirst into it. I remember when I first started skateboarding. Hmm. Did that not take over my life? You know, this? Look at my attic and see how many skateboards I have. I have two feet.
00;32;12;11 - 00;32;36;21
Robot Rances
So. So to use that, that, like, baseline of, like, okay, we understand the intention, right? So now how do we create a nutritional program that supports that progress and that's that goes to to everyone, right? Like we're talking about specifically here, someone who's engaging in a physical performance based activity. And that is the that the the reasoning behind a nutritional change.
00;32;37;09 - 00;33;05;19
Robot Rances
But what Jay said is like recognizing the why and the specifics of it all is a big factor, because when things get tough, you know, when you're you had a stressful day and and you want to have that thing that you had as a kid and to bring you satisfaction and and comfort, that's when your reasons need to be strong enough to contest those innate reactions.
00;33;05;22 - 00;33;09;21
Punch Line Jay
For example, last Monday after a podcast, I had McDonald's.
00;33;11;06 - 00;33;37;04
Moody Moe
So, I mean, I think the conversation we went into with the podcast that we didn't even recorded was the idea of an identity, right? So the identity that you have and this goes a lot, this goes into our Bite By Bite program. We talk a lot about the identity that you you want to create in your case. Right now, it's this idea of a boxer that actually goes into more of a professional environment.
00;33;37;19 - 00;33;44;14
Moody Moe
So now there is an actual event with people and something on the line is there like, you know, a metal trophy?
00;33;44;19 - 00;33;50;16
Punch Line Jay
If I, I know that it's possible that I could come back with a belt, okay? And I really want that.
00;33;50;28 - 00;34;09;23
Moody Moe
So that's pretty cool, right? So now there's this, this identity that's created this new version of J that we can foresee in the future with the belt. And I think that's really important is to get the intention is like, who do I want to be? And then the struggle is who am I currently now?
00;34;09;24 - 00;34;10;03
Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
00;34;10;15 - 00;34;15;10
Moody Moe
And what do I have to change? Be this person.
00;34;15;10 - 00;34;21;12
Robot Rances
So let's get into now what what that nutritional program would look like.
00;34;21;12 - 00;34;46;19
Punch Line Jay
Oh, well, real quick. First off, guys, don't forget to like subscribe. You can find us on all platforms where you could find a podcast, whether it's YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and any other place that you could find podcasts. Um, it also the Bite By Bite program that we're about to dove into right now will be on the VidaProject website starting sometime in July.
00;34;47;05 - 00;34;50;23
Punch Line Jay
So look out for that and you'll find out why. You should look out for that right now.
00;34;51;05 - 00;35;17;17
Robot Rances
A good Segway. So when we look at the the intention first, like what are we trying to to understand, what are we trying to build that gives us now the North Star, right, that we're where we're achieving with this plan. Now, the the variables that step in throughout that plan have to do with the tools and understandings that come up.
00;35;18;01 - 00;35;54;06
Robot Rances
So, for example, that identity idea that Moises talked about is huge. That boils down into multiple levels of how these identities that we're either developing new identities or trying to get rid of old identities. Right? These are beliefs about ourselves, how we are approaching those things and why that's the motive. Once we understand that, we look at it as, hey, I want to change this, because in your case, I want to be the champion.
00;35;54;06 - 00;36;23;21
Robot Rances
I want to have that that feeling of like, yo, I did this. I went all the way and so on and so forth. Now, if it's someone that wants to lose weight because they've been struggling with a weight loss their entire lives and they want to make a change, it's easy to do some of the mechanical changes. It's harder to have an identity change of the person that you want to become.
00;36;25;10 - 00;36;26;25
Punch Line Jay
Can you elaborate on that a little bit more?
00;36;27;03 - 00;36;52;09
Robot Rances
So and we've seen this happen where someone that is very overweight and a lot of times I don't want to put anyone in a box, but I've seen this happen as a coach repeatedly with people that undergo gastric bypass surgeries where and there's there's multiple different ones that you can have. There's the gastric bypass is a full intensity.
00;36;52;11 - 00;37;21;08
Robot Rances
You change your entire system. But then there's things like the Lap-Band, right, where they kind of use a device to constrict your stomach. And I see this psychological challenge happen from the identity perspective. Someone can lose a massive amount of weight and not no longer recognize themselves and desperately want to repeat their previous patterns to the point that it makes them sick.
00;37;21;18 - 00;37;49;29
Robot Rances
There's a there's a thing called dumping that happens to people where they are trying to eat the way they used to eat and their physical body. Like, imagine that your body's saying, No, don't do this, stop. And your identity is so strong that it would override that, those sensations and you will continue to do that action. And what happens is that the the dumping is that the body then reacts to that and it's nonstop diarrhea, vomiting and just nonstop.
00;37;49;29 - 00;38;25;05
Robot Rances
So that identity shift is so big because if you're starting starting to create this version of yourself and you believe in that version, now you're coming into your own. You're coming into the person that you want to become as opposed to losing the person that you think you are. And that's a different, different approach with nutrition, like I was saying, was that I've seen people go through this process, this like you think about like the amount of work that goes into doing this process, right?
00;38;25;05 - 00;39;02;07
Robot Rances
It's not like, hey, I woke up today, I'm a go get lab and it's a process that requires a lot of moving parts with those people. You get to this new version of themselves and their mind their psychology starts to fight what they're in, what they're experiencing so much that they're desperately trying to become that other thing. And I've seen people specifically with the Lap-Band lose all the weight for a year and then slowly start to increase, even though they have the Lap-Band and Lap-Band can be adjusted externally by the doctors.
00;39;02;24 - 00;39;25;24
Robot Rances
Even with all of that, they're still able their willpower to become that older version is so much stronger than all this mechanical changes that it would literally take them back to who they used to be. So I think it becomes a first and foremost understanding that you're changing your identity and this identity that you're changing into, become comfortable with that.
00;39;26;19 - 00;39;57;19
Moody Moe
And they're like to piggyback off that, it's not just psychological, it's biological. Like there's a huge physiological component to an identity. So for example, you're going to go box and you're going to win. What's that. Going to feel like, who does that version of J feel like when they actually win the match? So I go into that like, Well, what are you going to experience if you do win and put yourself in that position?
00;39;57;24 - 00;40;01;12
Moody Moe
Who?
00;40;01;12 - 00;40;21;22
Punch Line Jay
That's a great question. I haven't even truly thought about that. I mean, part of me is like it's just another day, you know, I want to treat it like, you know, like, oh, yeah, well, that's fine, you know? But another problem is, like, I fucking worked so fucking hard for this. This is all me. Nobody else put me on the fucking man.
00;40;21;29 - 00;40;36;05
Punch Line Jay
I did all this. I'm invincible kind of thing. And it's a matter of like balancing those two egos, I guess, because once that's done and it's like, All right, what are you going to go back to fucking eating like an asshole again? Or like, what are you going to do? Or are you going to go back up to 178lbs?
00;40;36;05 - 00;40;36;24
Punch Line Jay
Or, you know.
00;40;37;01 - 00;40;48;14
Moody Moe
But let's go more into the actual feeling like you're imagining yourself. You're in that ring. Ref raises your hand. What is like your body experiencing in that moment?
00;40;49;06 - 00;41;03;04
Punch Line Jay
It's like it's euphoria. It's it's a it's a big fucking door for me. Like, it's, it's it's I'll say it's probably going to be the best high I've ever felt. And I'm going to want to chase that high because it's never going to feel the same as that moment.
00;41;04;10 - 00;41;05;25
Moody Moe
When you probably feel exhausted after.
00;41;05;25 - 00;41;26;28
Punch Line Jay
The fight. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's fuck, it's a fight. Of course I'm going to be exhausted because it's not going unless I like drop the guy within the first 20 seconds or some shit like that. I think that's another thing. I think I'm excited to be mean and I take it, I think that when I go into the most, the thing I think is going to be such a release to be like, I can be nice again.
00;41;27;03 - 00;41;29;20
Punch Line Jay
Mm. I don't have to be, I don't have to look at this person.
00;41;29;28 - 00;41;31;03
Moody Moe
So you're going to feel anger.
00;41;31;14 - 00;41;48;27
Punch Line Jay
Oh, going into it, I want to feel anger and not in the sense that like it's going to it's going to cloud the way I fight. But I want to go into it where it's not like when I'm sparring with somebody now where it's like, oh, like I'll respecting. I want I don't want them to be hurt. I want to hurt them.
00;41;49;28 - 00;41;52;15
Punch Line Jay
And I want to know what that feels like. Um.
00;41;53;01 - 00;41;54;16
Robot Rances
To let the animal out of the cage.
00;41;54;16 - 00;42;00;25
Punch Line Jay
Yeah to, to truly, to truly let the animal out in a in a sanctioned way.
00;42;01;00 - 00;42;18;21
Moody Moe
All right, so I'm going to stop you there. So that version of Jay is the identity that you're chasing, right? That's the one that you're trying to build. So there's a physiology to what that feels like. You can imagine it like, what does it feel to be free and release that animal out the cage?
00;42;19;12 - 00;42;32;03
Punch Line Jay
Yeah, I think that's the one thing you're right, because I've never fully done that before unless it's like, you know, trying to find myself in a situation like that. But this is one that's like we both know what it is and.
00;42;32;13 - 00;42;42;18
Moody Moe
I don't have to be I'm not hurt in any one on like is that like this intense full mouth or malpractise kind of version of hurting somebody? Yes, we both agreed to this.
00;42;42;18 - 00;42;54;12
Punch Line Jay
And it's a different kind of animal. I feel like it's not one that's like I'm fighting for my life. Like, you know, if I have to kill this person, I don't want to kill anybody. But I do want to put him on his ass. And I want him to not get up.
00;42;54;21 - 00;43;10;19
Moody Moe
All right. So that's the identity you're chasing. Yeah. So if you come into a program like Rances or I coaching you, that's who we're chasing. Yeah. Okay. What are some of the things you're going to have to experience to become that version of yourself? To get to that point?
00;43;10;27 - 00;43;20;03
Punch Line Jay
I think really pushing myself with with keeping on this regimen, keeping on this diet and skipping out on the food that I enjoy a lot of the time.
00;43;20;06 - 00;43;25;27
Moody Moe
So describe some of the feelings like what are some what's the shit that you got to go through?
00;43;25;27 - 00;43;48;12
Punch Line Jay
I think it's more so depriving myself of I think we've had this conversation before where I view food as freedom and I think being able to feel like I'm depriving myself of that freedom I think is, is something that is going to help me because it's it's it's like I sacrificed a lot for this.
00;43;48;12 - 00;43;49;16
Moody Moe
So you got deprivation.
00;43;49;17 - 00;43;56;19
Punch Line Jay
It's deprivation. It's I try to think of other words like it sacrificed a lot of it. Deprivation of.
00;43;57;27 - 00;43;58;22
Moody Moe
Sacrifice is.
00;43;58;27 - 00;44;19;16
Punch Line Jay
Another one. Sacrifice of hard like I'm I love training the actual idea of train like that's the one thing like it's finally being like I put all this training that I'll train, you know, for, you know, five, six days out of the week. For. For what? For just a just because I like it. Just because it's it's my little sanctuary for me.
00;44;19;24 - 00;44;20;23
Robot Rances
So reward it's.
00;44;20;23 - 00;44;37;24
Punch Line Jay
Award. It's a reward, you know. So now it's like I get to see what all this hard work we're now really going to push myself. It's really one of those things like we've had this conversation before and we've talked about this on one of the other podcasts where it's like, I don't have to. Jay can't quit. Jay can't back out of this.
00;44;37;24 - 00;45;01;22
Punch Line Jay
Now, Jay has to follow through, and it's something that I've never really done before and I'm excited to to follow through and I'm excited to see the other side of that, of what that's actually like, where it's like, no, there's no quitting. There's no there's no excuses. There's no, oh, but this one this one thing, is it going to hurt?
00;45;02;10 - 00;45;08;24
Punch Line Jay
I got to be like, everything's going to fucking hurt. Like like everything is going to be taken away from me if I don't follow the game.
00;45;08;26 - 00;45;15;02
Moody Moe
Okay, beautiful. So then what are the things that are going to get in the way of experiencing that?
00;45;15;02 - 00;45;15;25
Punch Line Jay
Junk food.
00;45;16;23 - 00;45;23;15
Robot Rances
I want to just use that same framework to identify the opposing possibility.
00;45;23;15 - 00;45;23;25
Punch Line Jay
Okay.
00;45;23;27 - 00;45;25;02
Robot Rances
You lose.
00;45;25;02 - 00;45;25;11
Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
00;45;26;05 - 00;45;28;11
Robot Rances
All of that work destroys you.
00;45;29;05 - 00;45;31;22
Punch Line Jay
I don't think. I don't think that will. I don't.
00;45;31;23 - 00;46;00;19
Robot Rances
Okay, so but let's go through the same pattern of like identify what are the feelings of sensations because is like, I don't think that I will. Why? Because I'm going to make sure I push that reaction down. Or is it like because the question then becomes like that identity, that thing that you're after, if you're okay, if you're like, I don't think I would is not going to have a deep impact on me if I don't, then then that thing that you're after is like, Yeah, I'm after that.
00;46;00;19 - 00;46;05;22
Robot Rances
But I'm like, I'm losing everything if I don't want it. So then it becomes also they have said pleasure.
00;46;05;22 - 00;46;08;24
Moody Moe
It has to be a huge anchor. Yeah. To be able to. Yeah.
00;46;08;24 - 00;46;27;28
Punch Line Jay
So that's fair. So all right, so I'll put ego aside. It's going to fucking crush me. It's going to crush me. I'm going to cry the shower for probably like two weeks afterwards. I'm going to go to sleep, apologize to Ashley, and I apologize to my dad and to anybody else who came out repeatedly because I even did it with my other fight with.
00;46;28;10 - 00;46;28;28
Moody Moe
When you got knocked.
00;46;28;28 - 00;46;40;24
Punch Line Jay
Out. Let it get knocked out. I think that there's a big difference. I got dropped. I got right back up stumbling, but I got right back up. Yeah.
00;46;41;19 - 00;46;44;04
Moody Moe
I have a punch line. Did you think of Page.
00;46;44;06 - 00;47;01;13
Punch Line Jay
Oh, I took a fucking I took a swift right hit. Yeah. That shit rocked my world. Never it hit as hard as I got hit that day. It was wild. But I think. Back to what you say. Am I scared to lose? Of course I'm scared to lose. What's the point of doing this whole fucking thing? It's like, Oh, well, I could lose.
00;47;01;25 - 00;47;10;26
Punch Line Jay
No, the ego in me, it's like, Fuck that, I'll go in there. I want to hurt them. There's no fucking way I'm going to lose. I'm going to take everything from him. So they're fucking Belt
00;47;10;26 - 00;47;25;20
Robot Rances
So now that's, that's the goal. Now imagine going through the same scenario. And if I your head's not being held up, your opponent's hand is being held up Feel that for a moment.
00;47;28;28 - 00;47;29;14
Punch Line Jay
I don't like it.
00;47;31;02 - 00;47;46;15
Robot Rances
Because that that is where you can attach to the identity of like, okay, I have a choice and now you have two points of reference. It's okay, I can eat McDonald's. You need to attach to that feeling that you just experience to.
00;47;46;24 - 00;47;49;03
Moody Moe
Play that fucking movie in your head.
00;47;49;20 - 00;48;07;18
Punch Line Jay
Yeah, it's that guilt. It's like, I think I'm going to be Catholic for like, the next, like, the part of the fight camp, just so I can have that guilt into me where I'm like, Oh, Jesus is watching me, but I can't do this. I can go to hell if I don't do this fight camp perfectly. No, I think that's a really good you just me to dark places.
00;48;07;18 - 00;48;09;05
Punch Line Jay
Now, I don't know if you guys saw my eyes.
00;48;09;25 - 00;48;12;14
Moody Moe
You do this thing where your jaw starts to move.
00;48;12;14 - 00;48;14;12
Punch Line Jay
Yeah. Sorry. Clenching my jaw? Yeah.
00;48;14;12 - 00;48;33;24
Robot Rances
Look, that's already starting to put the pillars for that identity you want to build, because that dark place is what you want to learn how to access on a regular basis in your preparation for this fight so that it becomes home when you're in that ring in that moment. It shouldn't be a brand new experience that day. You need to train in that because.
00;48;34;08 - 00;48;58;08
Moody Moe
You hit you hit a point where you spoke about ego and it does play does play a role. So when we talk about there's this concept called ego depletion, right? We talk about Will. And originally we even believe this Rances and I, we thought that you had a certain amount of willpower. Like it's almost like a skill. Current research, a recent research says that there's no such thing.
00;48;58;16 - 00;49;22;27
Moody Moe
It's only the people that believe that they have a certain amount of will that they can sustain. That's called ego depletion. But if you believe that there's no such thing as well, what they found was that you're capable of doing anything right. There is. No, there is no such thing. So when you talk about ego, you have to attach your ego to innate, an idea of what it feels like to lose and.
00;49;22;27 - 00;49;48;24
Moody Moe
To win, you have to attach to ego, for example. And we call this process called woop. That's what we were guiding you through. It's like there's a wish, there's an object objective, there is an obstacle. You have to envision the tough shit that you have to go through because that ego can only be held at the end and can only sustain itself if it's been through the physiology of pain.
00;49;49;11 - 00;50;15;15
Moody Moe
Because we only remember pain or pleasure and we have to attach that discomfort to that identity so that, like you said, when you're done with this fight and you're done with this campaign and training, am I going to go back to that old version of J? Am I going to go back to eating shit? Are you willing to throw all all the shit and the pain, everything you did back down the drain?
00;50;16;29 - 00;50;17;12
Moody Moe
No.
00;50;18;18 - 00;50;27;03
Punch Line Jay
No. I'm ready to run through a wall right now. So. Oh, man. Yeah, no, no, no. I'm fired.
00;50;27;04 - 00;50;43;07
Moody Moe
So going back to, like, like clients, people who just want to lose weight, I think a lot of the times that we encounter was that people don't do this work in the beginning and even ourselves, like sometimes I fall victim to this as well.
00;50;43;09 - 00;50;43;20
Punch Line Jay
It's human.
00;50;43;20 - 00;51;09;13
Moody Moe
Nature. It's human nature. It's there's a lot of pre-work, envisioning and understanding of your emotions to sustain a identity that you desire to become. And that's one of the things that we do in the program and Bite by bite is that a lot of that work? Especially when you work with us as coaches, we actually do that process that you kind of ran you through right now.
00;51;10;05 - 00;51;38;05
Robot Rances
And just to give you like a little bit of understanding behind that concept of WOOP, it was wish obstacle, objective obstacle plan, right? So that's what we did. We said was the wish was the great outcome right there you see yourself and you're like, Oh, my hands are being that's the wish as a dream, right? The objective is winning, getting that belt right, then the obstacle is like fucking losing, right?
00;51;38;15 - 00;51;59;12
Robot Rances
So then what we do is we create a plan. So if these are the negative things that are going to show up like, hey, you know what, okay, just one meal. McDonald's today, it's not going to break me. We just made a plan of like when you look at that meal, you're going to envision that failure, right? So now we just made a plan of how you attack those situations.
00;51;59;12 - 00;52;03;22
Punch Line Jay
Made me hate McDonald's already don't like it.
00;52;03;22 - 00;52;25;20
Robot Rances
So but that that emotional association is now that you're using that leverage because this thing is innate, it's happening within us. Like we have connections to food due to an emotional response to them that just happened. It was just program with us through our lives, through our experience, through our beliefs, through our stories that we were involved in.
00;52;26;06 - 00;53;02;00
Robot Rances
And we attached these emotions to those foods which now, like I said, the scenario of like, you know, when you want to when you're having a rough day and you want to eat that food that makes you feel good, feel that home cooked meal, whatever it is that is the emotion that you're pursuing. So this is the way that you are able to use that same neurology, the same psychology, and reset it and create a new belief system that allows you to now initiate the behaviors necessary for your success.
00;53;02;07 - 00;53;29;01
Moody Moe
Yeah, I think in, in, in the wellness industry and fitness you hear body, mind and soul and there is actually science behind that idea. You're going to be fighting the physiology of old Jay while trying to create the physiology of New Jay. And when you when you connect your mind to that identity, that identity is where the mind is created, where it's being created in the mind.
00;53;29;19 - 00;53;46;27
Moody Moe
The physiology is body. So you have to train it to create that identity. And then the soul is the acceptance of the new version of that ego. And when you when you're going to like, for example, you said you smoke weed and that's probably when the munchies, the munchies come out and all that.
00;53;46;27 - 00;53;47;20
Punch Line Jay
No, more smoking.
00;53;47;20 - 00;54;17;13
Moody Moe
But understand that that smoking is the trigger, that brings the old version of Jay out and then creates the physiology that you are desire. So then what happens is you smoke the weed old version of Jay comes out and is like, yo, all version of Jay wants food, he wants McDonald's. So then is finding those triggers that create that physiology, which then is like, okay, I shouldn't smoke now because I know that it's going to trigger an old version of me.
00;54;17;21 - 00;54;22;01
Moody Moe
Therefore, let me not do this. Let me go out on a three mile, run, create a new trigger.
00;54;22;02 - 00;54;23;20
Punch Line Jay
So intermittent fast. My weed.
00;54;24;21 - 00;54;25;07
Moody Moe
Probably.
00;54;25;07 - 00;54;26;18
Robot Rances
Yeah, I like that.
00;54;27;22 - 00;54;30;13
Punch Line Jay
So no smoking after seven.
00;54;30;13 - 00;54;58;12
Robot Rances
So like I'm saying is like there's basically you're going to be having a fight the whole way through. Yeah, it's new identity. J Fighting old identity. J And there might be some mourning happening in that experience. Oh, totally of like, of loss of like this is who I used to be. And but the acceptance of letting that go, the intentionality behind it, letting that go is where you find your power to make it through that mourning.
00;54;58;23 - 00;55;08;28
Moody Moe
I think even more so is being aware of when you want to smoke weed, because what the weed actually does sometimes is masks. That mourning.
00;55;08;28 - 00;55;09;06
Punch Line Jay
Yeah.
00;55;09;14 - 00;55;35;05
Robot Rances
This like everything that we're talking about is the psychology where that like Bite by Bite is based off of that whole experience is first understood, adding that psychology, that emotional connection that we have to food and with that like. So just to give you a reference the that idea of woop comes from these researchers who were looking into they're actually a married couple.
00;55;35;08 - 00;56;02;19
Robot Rances
The one was doing a bunch of research about positive psychology and the other one and this is like unrelated was doing research on like the impact and trauma of negative psychology and so on and so forth and like over dinner they were just talking about their research and they were like, Oh, I just found like I just found this, this anomaly in the research of like with positive psychology, there's this this negativity that starts to be inbred in it.
00;56;02;27 - 00;56;26;04
Robot Rances
And the the husband that was doing the negative things was like, that is very interesting because they found this in the the negative psychology, the trauma based psychology. And they started looking at their work together like actually went into the lab, started looking at and they were like, oh, in order to create change, you need both. You need that positive and that negative.
00;56;26;11 - 00;56;47;16
Robot Rances
So that's where they eventually came up with the idea of WOOP. It's a is a study thing where you need that positive thing and you need that negative. And then that's how success happens. And they've applied it. They created a whole system is actually a free app that they made called WOOP. You can find it on your store and it's free and it just walks you through the process.
00;56;47;16 - 00;56;59;07
Robot Rances
So if you ever want to do that, but is the baseline of of the nutritional change because it is an identity change and all those emotions tied to the food is, how you make a lasting impact, which changes.
00;57;00;13 - 00;57;12;15
Punch Line Jay
I love all that. And our question, when you guys put out the Bite By BIte program online, can the WOOP chapter be called WOOP? There it is. Thinking about that. I feel like last 15 minutes.
00;57;13;12 - 00;57;15;10
Moody Moe
Thats why you are Punch line jay, bro.
00;57;15;10 - 00;57;17;14
Punch Line Jay
Thank you. Thank you.
00;57;17;14 - 00;57;41;05
Moody Moe
Just to kind of piggyback off that, the the program itself will be for free online. So this is the first time that Rances and I will the program out it's going to be on VidaProject.com for free what we will be doing and if you need more accountability more help or more of this type of work that you saw today, then that's where you can reach out to us for coaching.
00;57;41;16 - 00;57;46;29
Moody Moe
And we have certain resources and tools that we use to help you reach that new identity.
00;57;47;09 - 00;57;51;24
Punch Line Jay
And I mean, just follow me along on this journey because I'll be proof of it. Essentially.
00;57;52;12 - 00;57;57;01
Robot Rances
We are out of it. Bite by bite. Program we created. When was it? 20, 20? 2020.
00;57;57;01 - 00;58;01;27
Moody Moe
One. It was 2020. I think COVID was still out there. We were, yeah, it was 2020.
00;58;01;27 - 00;58;23;26
Robot Rances
We created it then. We've been selling it for $600 since then and we just made like a decision, like based off of our, our intention, our mission is like we don't want to have this like only available for, for people who have a certain amount of income and so on and so forth. This is like our mission is to help people thrive in life.
00;58;24;09 - 00;58;38;07
Robot Rances
So that's we're doing this. That's why we're putting this program out for free, accessible for everyone. We don't know how long we're going to do it. I don't think we're going to keep it forever. But we do want to be able to, to, to reach people that we started this for.
00;58;38;15 - 00;58;58;13
Moody Moe
Yeah, I think it's important that, you know, I mean, this information is not new. This information has been around for thousands of years. I think I think what Rances and I and even Evelyn, who is a part of the Bite by Bite program, what we did was we curated the information to be as simple as possible so that you can be successful.
00;58;58;23 - 00;59;08;21
Moody Moe
And I think that's what makes the program so special. So, you know, I think it's just important that everybody has access to it and get a fair opportunity to create change in their life.
00;59;08;21 - 00;59;16;11
Punch Line Jay
So be the change you want to make in this world and this is a good way of doing it. So where I agree.
00;59;16;11 - 00;59;41;24
Robot Rances
So we talked about like the emotional concept behind creating that nutritional change. And for of you who might be nervous about facing that it the whole idea behind that is that that is how again how I said before how permanent change happens. But it's not just that. It's also the the information, the nutritional information. Okay. So I have this new identity.
00;59;42;04 - 01;00;01;25
Robot Rances
This new identity is a an infant that doesn't know, okay, how do I choose this? How do I look this? How do so we go through that idea of like again, we look at J when he was talking about like, okay, how do we want to affect performance in which aspects of performance, speed, power, strength, all of these things require different elements.
01;00;01;25 - 01;00;20;26
Robot Rances
So we look at that as well and we're looking at that information and applying it for you to be able to say, okay, this is knowledgeable information, not just the emotional idea on how to implement this information, but actual information to make decisions from that makes sense.
01;00;21;13 - 01;00;22;00
Punch Line Jay
No, it does.
01;00;22;29 - 01;00;23;16
Moody Moe
I think so.
01;00;23;26 - 01;00;28;15
Punch Line Jay
I think that's a I still kind of feel.
01;00;29;01 - 01;00;31;15
Moody Moe
Like went out into the crowd and well, the.
01;00;31;15 - 01;00;38;29
Robot Rances
Reason why I asked if that made sense at the end was because I was starting to get that thing, which I've been doing really good. I'm really proud of myself.
01;00;39;16 - 01;00;41;08
Punch Line Jay
Actually. Yeah, you have been really good.
01;00;41;08 - 01;00;42;03
Robot Rances
This one. Yeah.
01;00;42;12 - 01;00;44;07
Moody Moe
Yeah. It looks like you got some life back.
01;00;44;07 - 01;00;44;17
Robot Rances
Yeah.
01;00;44;21 - 01;00;49;18
Moody Moe
They feel like that presentation really to, like, kickstarted it for you.
01;00;49;19 - 01;00;57;28
Robot Rances
Yeah. Yeah, we did a presentation. Yes. Friday or Friday. Yeah. So recently. Well, it's not all there.
01;00;59;05 - 01;01;00;13
Moody Moe
Do you think the creatine is open.
01;01;01;00 - 01;01;24;27
Robot Rances
Well I haven't started the creatine. Oh I'm all, I've only started the magnesium. The magnesium. Hmm. And I actually I feel like the magnesium there. The first day that I was taking the magnesium, I had this headache that like I can only, only measure against the time that I was in the hospital and my brain was losing fluid.
01;01;25;18 - 01;01;51;09
Robot Rances
And it was this headache that felt like sledgehammers hitting me in the head that day that I started. It felt like that headache like that. But then afterwards and just to give you a reference, the presentation that we did on Friday, I had been practicing it over and over and that was a challenge when I would practice it over and over, I would have like the recordings, I would just freeze up and like that would happen.
01;01;51;09 - 01;02;11;02
Robot Rances
What would happen is I forget what I'm talking about, the context, like there's just floating in space, like, huh, what is this? What am I doing? And then I have to kind of remind myself and try to find the grounding back that day, I was having that headache, I was also practicing. So it was like almost like Navy SEAL level training of like for my brain.
01;02;11;20 - 01;02;21;24
Robot Rances
I was exhausted that night. I slept very well for the first time in a bit, but I think that also helped. And then the presentation, the positive emotional content.
01;02;21;25 - 01;02;23;06
Moody Moe
Physiology behind that.
01;02;23;07 - 01;02;25;02
Robot Rances
Yeah, also helped.
01;02;25;02 - 01;02;30;01
Moody Moe
So just to give context to the audience, you want to tell a little bit about your story, although.
01;02;30;28 - 01;02;32;02
Punch Line Jay
That's the next podcast.
01;02;32;23 - 01;02;34;05
Moody Moe
I felt like we're already transitioned.
01;02;34;05 - 01;02;55;17
Punch Line Jay
We got to have an outro We've got to have a Outro. There has to be some structure. got dang it How am i the one to be like, let's let's structure this a little bit, guys. That was the end of our last podcast for this guy was a fucking jump ahead. Jesus Christ, we're doing two episodes today, maybe Three who fucking knows? As long as tin men over here can keep up.
01;02;57;09 - 01;03;00;25
Punch Line Jay
Sorry, I love you.
01;03;00;25 - 01;03;03;29
Robot Rances
I felt like you missed an opportunity to talk about batteries running on something.
01;03;03;29 - 01;03;22;29
Punch Line Jay
I know, but I'll consider for you to the traumatic one that we're going to talk about now. Guys, don't forget to Like, Subscribe, subscribe and find us on all digital platforms that you could find a podcast. And don't forget to comment. I say this all the time. I don't. I love my mom. She can't be the only one commenting on her shit.
01;03;23;27 - 01;03;36;23
Punch Line Jay
I talk about it with her in person. I talk about it in fucking in the comments section. Guys please Let us know what you like, what you don't like. If you shit on one of us, anything, any of the critiques that you have for us that you told one of us say in the comments.
01;03;36;23 - 01;03;53;01
Robot Rances
Yeah, that that's a key factor is you have something to say to me or to Jay or to Moises. Please don't DM us. Don't tend to send us text messages or any of that, like do it in the comment of the video that you're talking about.
01;03;53;01 - 01;03;56;11
Moody Moe
I mean you can DM us but just like try to help the algorithm.
01;03;57;04 - 01;03;58;18
Punch Line Jay
Just Reply double double send it.
01;03;58;18 - 01;03;59;16
Moody Moe
You can what you said.
01;03;59;16 - 01;04;04;17
Punch Line Jay
My comment and it said in my idea so I can read it and go, oh wait, you did this here. I'll answer here.
01;04;04;22 - 01;04;10;25
Moody Moe
Actually, you want to know what I think? It's really great that I did the transition because that's like a preview to the next podcast.
01;04;10;26 - 01;04;20;05
Punch Line Jay
It is. Look at that look. You know what? You know, that was good and Moody Mo had a Moody Mo had a good point. So now you guys.
01;04;20;14 - 01;04;24;05
Moody Moe
You got a little bit of the next podcast. Make sure you tune in to that.
01;04;24;05 - 01;04;27;27
Punch Line Jay
We're going to talk about his head trauma.
01;04;27;27 - 01;04;28;21
Robot Rances
Thank you. It was great.
01;04;30;06 - 01;04;47;08
Punch Line Jay
Jason Here with Mindset U and I just want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart for tuning in and watching us every week since Mindset U is Taking a different approach. We need your help coming up with new topics of stuff that you want to hear so that we can give you the best quality possible, the best content in general.
01;04;47;24 - 01;05;03;27
Punch Line Jay
It's fun. Come on, help us out. Help us help you. Anyway, you can head over to VidaProject.com to watch any of the old episodes. Any of the new upcoming episodes are coming. You can also check us out on Instagram and YouTube and anywhere else you could possibly think of that you wants to be. Let us know. We'll be there.
01;05;04;06 - 01;05;34;14
Punch Line Jay
All right. Thank you so much. I think we're on Twitter. I don't know. Hit us up everywhere. Call me. Here's my number 201. I'm just kidding. I hate to fuck you in the book. I keep saying, guys, fucking trick myself on the streets. I think that's a good list, you little motherfucker. So I'm going to start over one more time or else put my head in the oven before I was really interrupted by a lovely Dominican lady.
01;05;34;14 - 01;05;42;00
Punch Line Jay
And I'll do anything. My power. Not a drop through this window right now because I hate talking in front of a camera. Take 15. Fuck you.